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SLPOA Newsletter Update
3/9/07
Thursday night, Royal Gorge introduced their development
plans to a standing room only crowd at Ice lakes Lodge. There were probably 150 people present. The presentation consisted of an hour and
fifteen minute PowerPoint followed by the audience talking among themselves and
with the Royal Gorge team.
This interim SLPOA newsletter update summarizes the
development plan. Many people are
probably very interested in the proposal so I thought a summary immediately
after the presentation is warranted.
Next week we will send out another update with a “sense of the board”
summary following our SLPOA Board meeting on Saturday. By the time you have read this, there should
be a copy of their
concept map
on the SLPOA website.
If you want to see the presentation and participate, there
are still more presentations: Saturdays 3/10 and 3/17 10 AM – Noon at Ice Lakes
Lodge. We will be asking you for your
advice, suggestions, and ideas,
Summary of plans – the Vision
Royal Gorge Concept Plan
Kirk Syme started the presentation
with an introduction covering:
- background of the developers
- the land purchase
- gathering of input over two years
- exploring and cataloging the property
- the existing zoning which allows 1200 residential units
- the existing general plan which allows 2900 residential units
- maps that showed Royal Gorge lands and compilation of topography, wetlands, etc.
After Kirk outlined what was allowed he said that is a bad
idea and not at all what they have planned.
That was a 1950’s style development.
He said that in developing the plan the development team had relied
heavily on community input, the context of the Summit (national forest, views,
history, culture, and ski areas) and their guiding principles. The Summit is a unique area they want to
respect.
Guiding Principles of the Royal Gorge Plan
As Kirk launched into the principles that guided the
development of their plan, he advertised a book that was required reading for
all members of their team: Last Child in the Woods – Saving Or
Children from Nature Deficit by Richard Louv. The theme of
that book is that society needs experience in nature and that was the main
guiding principle.
Principles:
- no gated community
- no golf course
- preserve open space
- conservation of land in perpetuity
and preserve all land outside the building “bubbles.”
- no Van Norden development
- green building
- maintain Royal Gorge cross country system
- make the ski area viable
- provide educational opportunities
- the Royal Gorge development should be a gateway for the outdoors and activities
- The Royal Gorge development should be a source for education.
- create economic opportunity (jobs)
Mr. Syme then talked about what conservation means:
- respect the land’s natural carrying capacity
- protect sensitive areas
- carefully place development
- create a community that belongs
gateway to the wilderness
outdoor adventure
respect the Summit
- foster a sense of community – foster human interaction
- build green
- support what’s there [on the Summit]
Royal Gorge
Sugar Bowl
- a place for learning and adventure
Once the philosophy was out of the way, the team went on to
describe the development. There are four
parts to the plan which is call a Camp
Concept. Development will be in four
main areas delineated below. The camp
concept calls for clustered neighborhoods centered on recreation or outdoor
adventure. Each camp will have a
community gathering hub at the camp center.
Each camp will be organized around particular recreational
experiences. The highest densities will
be at the Ski and Lake camps noted below.
Note: there should be a copy of the concept map on the SLPOA
website.
Lake Camp – new
lakes northwest of Serene Lakes down from the current Summit Station. This will include two new lakes. The source of water for the lakes was not
mentioned.
- a lake house/clubhouse
- preserve with cross country ski trails
- trailside homes
Wilderness Camp –
down towards Pt. Mariah
- unpaved road access
- use existing trails
- new wilderness lodge like the old Wilderness Lodge on Kidd Lake
- camp style cabins with primitive services
- horse barn
- fishing cabin
- this concept is still under development
Summit Camp – on Lake Van Norden along the old road to
Sugar Bowl.
- nature preserve
- history and nature interpretation
Summit Station will move here
- this will be the access to the lake trails
- there will be a small community park with playground there.
Exactly what facilities will be there besides the above was
not specified. The new Summit Station
will serve as the entry to cross country skiing but will also serve as an
educational facility manned by volunteers from local organizations.
Ski Camp – east of Serene Lakes and south of the forest service meadow.
This will be the highest density area. Depending on whom you talk to it may include
65% of all residential units and an unspecified number of hotel rooms. Any other facilities like restaurants, shops,
etc. was not mentioned although some Royal Gorge team members said it would be
a “village.” There will be a number of
downhill ski runs coming down from the ridge.
There will be two ski lifts. Then
stretching across the ridge almost to Crows Nest there will be a detachable
quad for access to Sugar Bowl. Kirk Syme said they would not allow Ski Camp to be a public
access to Sugar Bowl however, so there will be limited parking and a shuttle
will travel around three of the parts of their development along with our
Serene Lakes to reduce traffic.
Ski Camp will also include:
- base camp for outdoor activities
- nature adventure and exploration center
- ski lodge with wellness retreat
In general there
will be concentrated development leaving a lot of land open and a variety of
housing types: single family, time share, condominiums, duplex cabins, townhomes, and workforce housing, Depending on whom you talk to 65-80 percent
of the development will be in concentrated areas. The total number of residential units will be
about 950. This does not include hotel
“beds.” That number is still to be
decided upon along with the other pieces that would go with that kind of
development: shops, restaurants, and other facilities. Ski Camp has some similarities to the Olympic
Village concept Royal Gorge was aiming at many years ago.
Miscellaneous
- The dam at Van Norden was
taken down badly. The concrete spillway
will be removed and the dam area will be restored to its natural state (whether
the present lake level will be maintained was not addressed).
- Royal Gorge will establish
a land trust to be endowed by real estate transfer fees. This endowed trust will preserve the open
space and fund the educational activities.
- Building heights will be
below tree lines.
- All plans will be done at
once and not piecemeal.
- Fire protection plans will
be implemented on both Royal Gorge lands and in conjunction with the forest
service on forest service lands.
- Light pollution will be avoided
- The sewer plant will be expanded
- high speed internet is coming
- an overpass will be built over the RR tracks.
What was not
addressed that people talked about afterwards:
- second egress from Serene Lakes
- hotel development and the facilities going with it
- where the water will come from
- traffic on Soda Springs Rd.
- Ski Camp population’s access to Serene Lakes
(the only access would appear down Sierra – the boat ramp)
- the maps only showed green areas where housing would
be. Where exactly the roads will be is
not addressed.
- scale of the village
- architectural types
- details details details. Here I
would launch into my thoughts but that will wait until the SLPOA Board has met
on Saturday.
Bill Oudegeest
Some Thoughts
Serene Lakes is going to change just as California is
changing. We have a responsibility to
see that the changes are reasonable. We
have a responsibility to those who come after us.
Living up to that responsibility is a big task. We must use our energies to make sure the
development is as beneficial to the area as possible. That energy is not just going to be expended
in communicating with the developers, but in building the community (working
with other groups as we started with the Fall Summit Summit),
and in monitoring the actual development implementation.
Lessons from Northstar
Last Sunday Tam Lieberman, who lives at the end of Lake Dr.,
invited some Serene Lakes residents to her house to meet Dave Brown, a long
time resident of Northstar. He is so much a long time resident of the
area he remembers traveling to Ice Lakes on Soda Springs Rd. before it was
paved.
He has credibility because he is familiar with Northstar from before the 1971 plan was developed,
he sold real estate there for decades, and has been involved in various local
organizations including their homeowners’ association. A lot of what he said has particular
relevance for Serene Lakes and the coming development. So his perspective was good and so was his
advice. I had thought I’d categorize
what he said into topics but as I started typing I decided that maybe just a
list of his thoughts would serve as good advice for readers here, and give us
some ideas.
What is [bracketed] are not his thoughts.
Perceptions:
- People
in Northstar were naďve. They trusted the developers.
[which is not to say our cannot be trusted, but vigilance is key.
Ronald Reagan said, “Trust but Verify.”]
- Developers
are well financed, have professional help and especially good legal
representation.
- There
may be future sales to other non-Foster/Syme entities
that are only interested in money and will not feel bound by previous agreements
– especially years later. In Northstar the original plans dated 1971. The recent development in Northstar
is not the same as originally planned.
Dormant capacity from developers’ plans decades ago are now becoming
relevant.
- The
size of the Northstar village turned out to be larger
than promised and changed many times over the years.
- East-West
Developers could be the ultimate developers of Serene Lakes after Foster/Syme
get all the approvals.
East-West likes building near ski resorts but does not like developing
ski resorts.
- The impact of traffic is an important consideration.
Especially follow through on traffic
plans and promises
Ingress/egress
- People bought in Northstar awhile ago expecting one thing
and will now get another with the development.
- In Northstar there was not as much follow through on promises
regarding operations aspects as there should have been. Promises were not kept.
Advice:
- Deal with the County staff and representatives – they will listen
- Updating the Martis Valley Plan was important to developing Northstar
[We should have a Summit Plan]
- Develop a united community
[Developers, in general have an
incentive to divide; we have to work together.]
- look out for:
traffic,
lighting
noise
construction
time line of development [how many years will construction
go on?],
enforcement of rules/agreements [like traffic mitigation]
employee housing
Where will construction materials be stored [in view lines?]
When will construction material be delivered? [5 AM?]
One important idea that he passed on was that for Northstar a key component was an M.O.U. (memorandum of
understanding) between homeowners and the developers. The M.O.U. covered all aspects of the
development. Once it had been negotiated
it was the vehicle for communications so that all the problems could be worked
out. Of course developers would like MOU’s
so that they can circumvent protest. The community should like an MOU as well, so
that there is dialogue.
Survey
A survey of our community is in the works, as previously
promised. Once it got close to the
unveiling on the development proposals we thought asking about some of those
components would be good.
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